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		<title>Comment on Final Study Report by Cathie Andersen</title>
		<link>http://www.sunsetsubstation.org/?p=99&#038;cpage=1#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathie Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the manager of the Seattle Conservation Corps. I wonder if you might be interested in contracting with us to do some of this work.  Providing hands on training for homeless adults in green jobs, as this project would do, might help you get grant funds earmarked for training programs.  Feel free to contact me for more information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the manager of the Seattle Conservation Corps. I wonder if you might be interested in contracting with us to do some of this work.  Providing hands on training for homeless adults in green jobs, as this project would do, might help you get grant funds earmarked for training programs.  Feel free to contact me for more information.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Final Study Report by CASTarchitecture &#183; Final Sunset Substation Park Renderings</title>
		<link>http://www.sunsetsubstation.org/?p=99&#038;cpage=1#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>CASTarchitecture &#183; Final Sunset Substation Park Renderings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The final Feasibility Study and Community Design Report is available here [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Sunset Substation&#8217;s latest version of the park design by CASTarchitecture &#183; Sunset Substation update</title>
		<link>http://www.sunsetsubstation.org/?p=93&#038;cpage=1#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>CASTarchitecture &#183; Sunset Substation update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 05:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Latest Design Options: Solar Canopy by Armand MacMurray</title>
		<link>http://www.sunsetsubstation.org/?p=73&#038;cpage=1#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Armand MacMurray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 02:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to be a nitpicker at times; since others looking at local solar power might easily run across this site, I thought more local info would be helpful.  I suspect that non-electrical heating may be more popular in Seattle these days, now that we&#039;ve had a decade or more of substantial electricity rate increases; electrical heating is also likely to be more popular in multi-dwelling-unit buildings than in single-family buildings, because of the low capital and maintenance costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to be a nitpicker at times; since others looking at local solar power might easily run across this site, I thought more local info would be helpful.  I suspect that non-electrical heating may be more popular in Seattle these days, now that we&#8217;ve had a decade or more of substantial electricity rate increases; electrical heating is also likely to be more popular in multi-dwelling-unit buildings than in single-family buildings, because of the low capital and maintenance costs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Latest Design Options: Solar Canopy by Matt Hutchins</title>
		<link>http://www.sunsetsubstation.org/?p=73&#038;cpage=1#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Hutchins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 01:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Armand--

Whether it is 2 or 3 households, the takeaway is that the array is not going to be powering the entire neighborhood. It would indeed be a nice symmetry if the substation that used to distribute power to the neighborhood could be used to generate the neighborhood&#039;s equivalent energy use.  Sadly the technology is not there yet.   

In any case, I was curious about the assertion about oil/gas or electrical usage, so I looked up some stats from the Department of Energy: 

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/recs/recs2005/c&amp;e/detailed_tables2005c&amp;e.html

(see Space Heating, Total Households by Space Heating Fuels, page 2 of the pdf, under Pacific region) and it seems that primarily in the South does electric space heating get used more that other sources.  Anecdotally, most of the houses I&#039;ve visited in Seattle in talking with people about remodels etc, were gas or oil (only a couple had electric heat), because electric heat is generally more expensive: 

http://www.seattle.gov/light/conserve/resident/homeheating/cv5_fcc.asp 

I feel it is reasonable to use the DoE&#039;s stats but I should follow up with City Light--they don&#039;t have anything I could find published about the average use, outside of the reference you quoted above.  They do mention above the average heating load as 12000 kWh or 41 mil Btus but not a total use including houses with or without electric space heating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armand&#8211;</p>
<p>Whether it is 2 or 3 households, the takeaway is that the array is not going to be powering the entire neighborhood. It would indeed be a nice symmetry if the substation that used to distribute power to the neighborhood could be used to generate the neighborhood&#8217;s equivalent energy use.  Sadly the technology is not there yet.   </p>
<p>In any case, I was curious about the assertion about oil/gas or electrical usage, so I looked up some stats from the Department of Energy: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/recs/recs2005/c&#038;e/detailed_tables2005c&#038;e.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/recs/recs2005/c&#038;e/detailed_tables2005c&#038;e.html</a></p>
<p>(see Space Heating, Total Households by Space Heating Fuels, page 2 of the pdf, under Pacific region) and it seems that primarily in the South does electric space heating get used more that other sources.  Anecdotally, most of the houses I&#8217;ve visited in Seattle in talking with people about remodels etc, were gas or oil (only a couple had electric heat), because electric heat is generally more expensive: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.seattle.gov/light/conserve/resident/homeheating/cv5_fcc.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.seattle.gov/light/conserve/resident/homeheating/cv5_fcc.asp</a> </p>
<p>I feel it is reasonable to use the DoE&#8217;s stats but I should follow up with City Light&#8211;they don&#8217;t have anything I could find published about the average use, outside of the reference you quoted above.  They do mention above the average heating load as 12000 kWh or 41 mil Btus but not a total use including houses with or without electric space heating.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Latest Design Options: Solar Canopy by Armand MacMurray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armand MacMurray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since other areas of the country use natural gas and oil energy much more than do we in Seattle, a better number for annual household electricity use is about 18,500 kWh per year, as shown in this document: http://your.kingcounty.gov/ddes/lusd/gb/DEIS_Files/Chapter3/3-6Energy.pdf
Given that number, the canopy would produce just under 2 households&#039; worth of electricity per year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since other areas of the country use natural gas and oil energy much more than do we in Seattle, a better number for annual household electricity use is about 18,500 kWh per year, as shown in this document: <a href="http://your.kingcounty.gov/ddes/lusd/gb/DEIS_Files/Chapter3/3-6Energy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://your.kingcounty.gov/ddes/lusd/gb/DEIS_Files/Chapter3/3-6Energy.pdf</a><br />
Given that number, the canopy would produce just under 2 households&#8217; worth of electricity per year.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Three ideas for the Sunset Substation Park by Jon Burgett</title>
		<link>http://www.sunsetsubstation.org/?p=55&#038;cpage=1#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Burgett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 05:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t make it to the last meetings, and may be commenting out of turn so to speak, but I offer some feedback on the concept along with some questions. I have substantial experience with solar power in the PV and thermal areas and have installed a small 1.6kw system with battery storage as well as a large water catchment system here at my home in Sunset Hill. Being a general contractor practically my whole adult life, I certainly admire those whose efforts have brought this visionary project forward.
   The Substation site is quite small with the visual architectural renderings really making it look huge - I agree with Robert  with the comment &quot;Don&#039;t do too much&quot;. I also think taking this to the final design choice now is premature given all of the various uncertainties regarding ownership and funding, as well as further public input. It is really cool that the drawings have been developed at all and that this project could potentially move forward - Hats off to those involved so far!  
A couple of things, is this a grid-tie only system or does the concept allow for emergency power storage (batteries)? I understand the utility potentially will purchase the electricity and if so, those funds go to maintenance etc, however the “investor” angle is something that the community should explore. We as a community group can be the investors – gaining those “significant” revenues. New  laws in this regard are in place or being debated in the Legislature now. Everything solar should be &quot;Made in Washington&quot;, that way the project receives the highest KW produced payback (currently $.54/KW) not to exceed $5000 per year. Why not have a few electric car charging stations nearby- supposedly there is a program coming down the line for the Nissan Leaf and some grant funded charging stations here in Seattle. I attended their presentation and applied, but no substantial feedback yet. Did you know that the solar system can be eligible for the 30% Federal tax credit, and if it is used to charge electric cars it increases to 50% of the installed cost? Can the tax credit be spread out amongst the investors? Perhaps. And what about wind? There are some really cool, very quiet, safe, units available.
 I always wonder about the costs ballooning so high on projects like this...and I know this seems sort of normal given the way they are presented.  Why can’t this whole idea be based on the practical potential of recycled and used/unused, donated and functional verses the really expensive approach – My, my, my, every option averaging over $700,000.! I am sure that given all the talented individuals and company owners here on the hill, from landscapers, construction contractors, electricians, and design/engineering individuals, artists, etc -talents abound. We could certainly construct a project like this, and have a ton of fun working together. It is not rocket science and out of our hands, if we want to take it on. There could be a platform/association (hierarchy) created that builds this project. I for one would consider donating excavating machine/trucking time and my expertise in areas I am familiar. The point of a project like this is community and in essence &quot;saving&quot; and renewing- in this case powered from the sun in a re-nourished site. It is educational and inspirational. We must move away from the past paradigm of spending as if there is no tomorrow. Without costs for land included, I think the budget needs a lot of work to bring it in line with the reality of our times. That being said - Great job everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t make it to the last meetings, and may be commenting out of turn so to speak, but I offer some feedback on the concept along with some questions. I have substantial experience with solar power in the PV and thermal areas and have installed a small 1.6kw system with battery storage as well as a large water catchment system here at my home in Sunset Hill. Being a general contractor practically my whole adult life, I certainly admire those whose efforts have brought this visionary project forward.<br />
   The Substation site is quite small with the visual architectural renderings really making it look huge &#8211; I agree with Robert  with the comment &#8220;Don&#8217;t do too much&#8221;. I also think taking this to the final design choice now is premature given all of the various uncertainties regarding ownership and funding, as well as further public input. It is really cool that the drawings have been developed at all and that this project could potentially move forward &#8211; Hats off to those involved so far!<br />
A couple of things, is this a grid-tie only system or does the concept allow for emergency power storage (batteries)? I understand the utility potentially will purchase the electricity and if so, those funds go to maintenance etc, however the “investor” angle is something that the community should explore. We as a community group can be the investors – gaining those “significant” revenues. New  laws in this regard are in place or being debated in the Legislature now. Everything solar should be &#8220;Made in Washington&#8221;, that way the project receives the highest KW produced payback (currently $.54/KW) not to exceed $5000 per year. Why not have a few electric car charging stations nearby- supposedly there is a program coming down the line for the Nissan Leaf and some grant funded charging stations here in Seattle. I attended their presentation and applied, but no substantial feedback yet. Did you know that the solar system can be eligible for the 30% Federal tax credit, and if it is used to charge electric cars it increases to 50% of the installed cost? Can the tax credit be spread out amongst the investors? Perhaps. And what about wind? There are some really cool, very quiet, safe, units available.<br />
 I always wonder about the costs ballooning so high on projects like this&#8230;and I know this seems sort of normal given the way they are presented.  Why can’t this whole idea be based on the practical potential of recycled and used/unused, donated and functional verses the really expensive approach – My, my, my, every option averaging over $700,000.! I am sure that given all the talented individuals and company owners here on the hill, from landscapers, construction contractors, electricians, and design/engineering individuals, artists, etc -talents abound. We could certainly construct a project like this, and have a ton of fun working together. It is not rocket science and out of our hands, if we want to take it on. There could be a platform/association (hierarchy) created that builds this project. I for one would consider donating excavating machine/trucking time and my expertise in areas I am familiar. The point of a project like this is community and in essence &#8220;saving&#8221; and renewing- in this case powered from the sun in a re-nourished site. It is educational and inspirational. We must move away from the past paradigm of spending as if there is no tomorrow. Without costs for land included, I think the budget needs a lot of work to bring it in line with the reality of our times. That being said &#8211; Great job everyone!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Three ideas for the Sunset Substation Park by matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.sunsetsubstation.org/?p=55&#038;cpage=1#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 05:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thinking about this a bit more and taking into account some of the other blog postings I&#039;ve read - here&#039;s some additional thoughts:

 - it&#039;s a very small site - I&#039;m afraid the architect&#039;s conceptual drawings don&#039;t properly reflect this. 
 - the primary access and dominant view from the street will be from the drive off 65th. Although an entrance from the alley would be nice (if not required) I don&#039;t believe the immediate neighbors would like to see a significant amount of park pedestrian traffic coming and going via the alley.
 - there&#039;s a clear desire for openness (direct sunlight) on larger portions of the site 
 - traditional park functions are seen as highly desirable.
 - immediate neighbors should be buffered from potential park noise 
 - given lack of visibility from the street - it would seem prudent to anticipate the need to close the park after dusk. 
 - there is support and excitement about including a solar photo-voltaic system somewhere in the park&#039;s program.
 - keep in mind that future development may include replacement of restaurant w/ multi-story building - open yard on north side of Green Grocer is also site of potential future development.

In response to this - I&#039;m thinking the following design program might better balance neighborhood priorities: 
 - install PV canopy over a large part of the narrow entry drive off 65th. This would best showcase the solar power display from the street. Solar panels would also serve as canopy for a range of activities at the park&#039;s main entry (plant sales, staging for work parties, solar power lectures/demonstrations, community mulch pile, etc. etc.) 
 - install small demonstration solar hot water system over secondary entrance from alley. This could serve a &quot;community kitchen&quot; feature along property line facing east (towards restaurant) - which might simply be a long concrete, counter height surface with a wash basin for preparing potlucks, picnics, etc. 
 - place smaller size buildings in SW corner (where there&#039;s the least sunlight) - tool storage, small office, display composting toilet, etc.
 - leave majority of larger rectangle (including the sunniest area) open for gathering, picnics, play, bocce ball - whatever. Include benches, seat-walls, raised planters, small water features, chess tables, etc.
 - plant smaller height deciduous trees to provide some shade for open space in summer - with full sunlight in winter
 - build high walls at north and east sides of larger rectangle to screen off the restaurant&#039;s outside seating area - add structure for covering walls with plants (living green walls) to keep area cool in the summer, provide sound buffer and avoid problems w/ graffiti (they also look great).
 - I&#039;ll try to follow-up w/ a sketch - can anybody help w/ this?
 
basically - suggesting that the solar power element be scaled back considerably to where it serves mostly a demonstration function while also providing a canopy for limited wet weather activities. Change is happening fast in the renewable energy world. Rather than installing a $400,000 dollar system with today&#039;s technology  - better to have smaller demonstration systems that could be adopted by individual home owners - and that could be swapped out for newer technologies as they emerge.

Its a sweet little space - but it is a little space. Keep it simple - and build in flexibility. Keep it green - use it demonstrate a range of readily available strategies we can adopt to reduce our own family&#039;s contributions to climate change and resource depletion - most importantly, make it inviting and use it to build and strengthen community - cause that&#039;s where real change happens...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thinking about this a bit more and taking into account some of the other blog postings I&#8217;ve read &#8211; here&#8217;s some additional thoughts:</p>
<p> &#8211; it&#8217;s a very small site &#8211; I&#8217;m afraid the architect&#8217;s conceptual drawings don&#8217;t properly reflect this.<br />
 &#8211; the primary access and dominant view from the street will be from the drive off 65th. Although an entrance from the alley would be nice (if not required) I don&#8217;t believe the immediate neighbors would like to see a significant amount of park pedestrian traffic coming and going via the alley.<br />
 &#8211; there&#8217;s a clear desire for openness (direct sunlight) on larger portions of the site<br />
 &#8211; traditional park functions are seen as highly desirable.<br />
 &#8211; immediate neighbors should be buffered from potential park noise<br />
 &#8211; given lack of visibility from the street &#8211; it would seem prudent to anticipate the need to close the park after dusk.<br />
 &#8211; there is support and excitement about including a solar photo-voltaic system somewhere in the park&#8217;s program.<br />
 &#8211; keep in mind that future development may include replacement of restaurant w/ multi-story building &#8211; open yard on north side of Green Grocer is also site of potential future development.</p>
<p>In response to this &#8211; I&#8217;m thinking the following design program might better balance neighborhood priorities:<br />
 &#8211; install PV canopy over a large part of the narrow entry drive off 65th. This would best showcase the solar power display from the street. Solar panels would also serve as canopy for a range of activities at the park&#8217;s main entry (plant sales, staging for work parties, solar power lectures/demonstrations, community mulch pile, etc. etc.)<br />
 &#8211; install small demonstration solar hot water system over secondary entrance from alley. This could serve a &#8220;community kitchen&#8221; feature along property line facing east (towards restaurant) &#8211; which might simply be a long concrete, counter height surface with a wash basin for preparing potlucks, picnics, etc.<br />
 &#8211; place smaller size buildings in SW corner (where there&#8217;s the least sunlight) &#8211; tool storage, small office, display composting toilet, etc.<br />
 &#8211; leave majority of larger rectangle (including the sunniest area) open for gathering, picnics, play, bocce ball &#8211; whatever. Include benches, seat-walls, raised planters, small water features, chess tables, etc.<br />
 &#8211; plant smaller height deciduous trees to provide some shade for open space in summer &#8211; with full sunlight in winter<br />
 &#8211; build high walls at north and east sides of larger rectangle to screen off the restaurant&#8217;s outside seating area &#8211; add structure for covering walls with plants (living green walls) to keep area cool in the summer, provide sound buffer and avoid problems w/ graffiti (they also look great).<br />
 &#8211; I&#8217;ll try to follow-up w/ a sketch &#8211; can anybody help w/ this?</p>
<p>basically &#8211; suggesting that the solar power element be scaled back considerably to where it serves mostly a demonstration function while also providing a canopy for limited wet weather activities. Change is happening fast in the renewable energy world. Rather than installing a $400,000 dollar system with today&#8217;s technology  &#8211; better to have smaller demonstration systems that could be adopted by individual home owners &#8211; and that could be swapped out for newer technologies as they emerge.</p>
<p>Its a sweet little space &#8211; but it is a little space. Keep it simple &#8211; and build in flexibility. Keep it green &#8211; use it demonstrate a range of readily available strategies we can adopt to reduce our own family&#8217;s contributions to climate change and resource depletion &#8211; most importantly, make it inviting and use it to build and strengthen community &#8211; cause that&#8217;s where real change happens&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Three ideas for the Sunset Substation Park by kristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite is PAIR.  WEDGE is my number 2.  There is more balance of covered/uncovered space in these two.  PAIR seems most appropriate for the size of the space.  It would be nice to have some interactive elements, like a checkerboard, or a permanent hopscotch, or something like those dancing feet on broadway - a built in element that adds texture, and gives kids something to entertain themselves with.  It might be nice also to have murals on any large blank vertical surfaces, for atmosphere, and in hopes of keeping the tagging down.  Maybe similar in style to the rain city video mural, maybe totally different, but something by a local artist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite is PAIR.  WEDGE is my number 2.  There is more balance of covered/uncovered space in these two.  PAIR seems most appropriate for the size of the space.  It would be nice to have some interactive elements, like a checkerboard, or a permanent hopscotch, or something like those dancing feet on broadway &#8211; a built in element that adds texture, and gives kids something to entertain themselves with.  It might be nice also to have murals on any large blank vertical surfaces, for atmosphere, and in hopes of keeping the tagging down.  Maybe similar in style to the rain city video mural, maybe totally different, but something by a local artist.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Three ideas for the Sunset Substation Park by Audrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Melissa completely.  I&#039;d use the space to attend small community gatherings, to see art exhibits, to meet with friends and to make new ones. I favor design simplicity, big trees, some permanent seating.  A chess table?  My favorite is the PAIR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Melissa completely.  I&#8217;d use the space to attend small community gatherings, to see art exhibits, to meet with friends and to make new ones. I favor design simplicity, big trees, some permanent seating.  A chess table?  My favorite is the PAIR.</p>
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